people, and i was learning, growing up in western pennsylvania. almost every little town in america grew up around manufacturing or processing facility or a mill ore processing for minerals, whenever it is, but something that brought people together, where they were making things, producing things, and it caused the genesis of that town. all across america, that happens, and it builds a rich patchwork of towns and communities that grew and prospered. we went through a rough time, and there are a lot of folks to say, "well, you know, those times are behind us. there is a knowledge base community, and that is all that matters." i do not argue with that at all. we need an innovative, knowledge-based community.